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I guess I'll give some info about this too. I've found these on gunbroker.com and gunsamerica.com on occasion. Obviously I'm reffering to US weapons. There are no actual UMP9's or UMP45's though. They're all USC conversions. None of them are actual fully auto or burst weapons but they usually do come multiple position lowers. There is also a law about the "parts count". The parts count is a number of original parts that have to be maintained on the weapon so some conversions aren't exactly legal. The civilian versions of these have ran in the high $5,000 range. Good luck finding one.